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紫风蕴1 ![]() 会员 ![]() ![]() 注册时间: 2008/11/20 状态: 离线 积分: 1 |
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我想问一下检查ADHA大概要多钱呢
还有药物的价格 以及相关手续的步骤
我19了 还没独自去过医院呢 每次都是父母带我去的
但这件事我决定自己解决
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我不太喜欢医生 小时候有心理阴影 :-)
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尼采死了,我就是尼采 ![]() 积极会员 ![]() 注册时间: 2007/10/06 状态: 离线 积分: 58 |
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我个人认为:大概不需要钱。 请容我细细道来:
也许你现在正在为之而感到痛苦的,根本不是add本身,而是与之共生的其他问题,比如ADDICTION,depressondisorder,anxiousty disorder,或者其他问题。如果在小孩子,可能单纯ADHD的情况是有的,可是到了成年人阶段,往往最直接的不是这个问题。好比采矿,单纯的一样矿石往往比较少见,通常情况下是几样矿伴生。
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尼采死了,我就是尼采 ![]() 积极会员 ![]() 注册时间: 2007/10/06 状态: 离线 积分: 58 |
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请看下面 ,这是国外一个著名医生写的东西,好象是一本书,书的名字就叫《the linkbetween ADD and addiction》。这下面是 他免费公布 的 一 段片段 ,但是简明扼要的阐述了 ADD和addiction之间的 关系 。这个"addiction"是广义上的,并不是指单纯的成瘾,还包括成瘾性的行为,“compusivebehavoers",等等。你自己看。可能会有有用的部分: The Link Between ADHD & Addiction It is common for people with ADHD to turn to addictive substances such as alcohol, marijuana, heroin, prescription tranquilizers, pain medication, nicotine, caffeine, sugar, cocaine and street amphetamines in attempts to soothe their restless brains and bodies. Using substances to improve our abilities, help us feel better, or decrease and numb our feelings is called self-medicating. Putting Out Fires With Gasoline The problem is that self-medicating works at first. It provides the person with ADHD relief from their restless bodies and brains. For some, drugs such as nicotine, caffeine, cocaine, diet pills and "speed" enable them to focus, think clearly, and follow through with ideas and tasks. Others chose to soothe their ADHD symptoms with alcohol and marijuana. People who abuse substances, or have a history of substance abuse are not "bad" people. They are people who desperately attempt to self-medicate their feelings, and ADHD symptoms. Self-medicating can feel comforting. The problem is, that self-medicating brings on a host of addiction related problem which over time make people's lives much more difficult. What starts out as a "solution", can cause problems including addiction, impulsive crimes, domestic violence, increased high risk behaviors, lost jobs, relationships, families, and death. Too many people with untreated ADHD, learning, and perceptual disabilities are incarcerated, or dying from co-occurring addiction. Self-medicating ADD with alcohol and other drugs is like putting out fires with gasoline. You have pain and problems that are burning out of control, and what you use to put out the fires is gasoline. Your life may explode as you attempt to douse the flames of ADD. A 1996 article in American Scientists states that "In the United States alone there are 18 million alcoholics, 28 million children of alcoholics, 6 million cocaine addicts, 14.9 million who abuse other substances, 25 million addicted to nicotine."1 Who Will Become Addicted? Everyone is vulnerable to abusing any mind altering substance to diminish the gut wrenching feelings that accompany ADHD. There are a variety of reasons why one person becomes addicted and another does not. No single cause for addictions exists; rather, a combination of factors is usually involved. Genetic predisposition, neurochemistry, family history, trauma, life stress, and other physical and emotional problems contribute. Part of what determines who becomes addicted and who does not is the combination and timing of these factors. People may have genetic predispositions for alcoholism, but if they choose not to drink they will not become alcoholic. The same is true for drug addictions. If an individual never smokes pot, snorts cocaine, shoots or smokes heroin, he or she will never become a pot, coke, or heroin addict. The bottom line is that people with ADHD as a whole are more likely to medicate themselves with substances than those who do not have ADHD. Dr.s Hallowell and Ratey estimate that 8 to 15 million Americans suffer from ADD, other researchers estimated that as many as 30-50% of them use drugs and alcohol to self-medicate their ADHD symptoms.2 This does not include those who use food, and compulsive behaviors to self-medicate their ADD brains and the many painful feelings associated with ADHD. When we see ADD it is important to look for substance abuse and addictions. And when we see substance abuse and addictions, it is equally important to look for ADHD. Prevention and Early Intervention "Just Say No!" may sound simple, but if it was that simple we would not have millions of children, adolescents, and adults using drugs every day. For some their biological and emotional attraction to drugs is so powerful, that they cannot conceptualize the risks of self-medication. This is especially true for the person with ADHD who may have an affinity for risky, stimulating experiences. This also applies to the person with ADHD who is physically and emotionally suffering from untreated ADHD restlessness, impulsiveness, low energy, shame, attention and organization problems, and a wide range of social pain.3 It is very difficult to say no to drugs when you have difficulties controlling your impulses, concentrating, and are tormented by a restless brain or body. The sooner we treat children, adolescents, and adults with ADHD the more likely we are to help them to minimize or eliminate self-medicating. Many well meaning parents, therapists and medical doctors are fearful that treating ADHD with medication will lead to addiction. Not all people with ADHD need to take medication. For those who do, however, prescribed medication that is closely monitored can actually prevent and minimize the need to self-medicate. When medication helps people to concentrate, control their impulses, and regulate their energy level, they are less likely to self-medicate. Untreated ADHD and Addiction Relapse Untreated ADHD contributes to addictive relapse, and at best can be a huge factor in recovering people feeling miserable, depressed, unfulfilled, and suicidal. Many individuals in recovery have spent countless hours in therapy working through childhood issues, getting to know their inner child, and analyzing why they abuse substances and engage in addictive behaviors. Much of this soul searching, insight, and release of feelings is absolutely necessary to maintain recovery. But what if after years of group and individual therapy, and continued involvement in addiction programs your client still impulsively quit jobs and relationships, can't follow through with their goals, and has a fast chaotic, or slow energy level. What if, along with addiction your client also has ADHD? Treating Both ADHD and Addictions It is not enough to treat addictions and not treat ADHD, nor is it enough to treat ADHD and not treat co-occurring addiction. Both need to be diagnosed, and treated for the individual to have a chance at ongoing recovery. Now is the time to share information so that addiction specialists, and those treating ADHD can work together. It is critical that chemical dependency practitioners understand that ADHD is based in one's biology and responds well to a comprehensive treatment program that sometimes includes medications. It is also important for practitioners to support the recovering persons involvement in Twelve Step programs and help them to work with their fear about taking medication. A COMPREHENSIVE TREATMENT PROGRAM CONSISTS OF: · A professional evaluation for ADHD and co-occurring addiction. · Continued involvement in addiction recovery groups or Twelve Step programs. · Education on how ADHD impacts each individual's life, and the lives of those who love them. · Building social, organization, communication, and work or school skills. · ADHD coaching and support groups. · Closely monitored medication when medication is indicated. · Supporting individuals decisions to take medication or not ( in time they may realize on their own that medication is an essential part of their recovery). Stages of Recovery It is important to treat people with ADHD and addiction according to their stage of recovery. Recovery is a process that can be divided into four stages, pre-recovery, early recovery, middle recovery, and long term recovery. PRE-RECOVERY: Is the period before a person enters treatment for their addictions. It can be difficult to sort out ADHD symptoms from addictive behavior and intoxication. The focus at this point is to get the person into treatment for their chemical and/or behavioral addiction. This is NOT the time to treat ADHD with psycho stimulant medication. EARLY RECOVERY: During this period it is also difficult, but not impossible to sort out ADHD from the symptoms of abstinence which include, distractibility, restlessness, mood swings, confusions, and impulsivity. Much of what looks like ADHD can disappear with time in recovery. The key is in the life long history of ADHD symptoms dating back to childhood. In most cases early recovery is NOT the time to use psycho stimulant medication, unless the individual's ADHD is impacting his or her ability to attain sobriety. MIDDLE RECOVERY: By now addicts, and alcoholics, are settling into recovery. This is usually the time when they seek therapy for problems that did not disappear with recovery. It is much easier to diagnose ADHD at this stage; and medication can be very effective when indicated. LONG TERM RECOVERY: This is an excellent time to treat ADHD with medications when warranted. By now most people in recovery have lives that have expanded beyond intense focus on staying clean and sober. Their recovery is an important part of their life, and they also have the flexibility to deal with other problems such as ADHD. Medication and Addiction Psychostimulant medication when properly prescribed and monitored is effective for approximately 75-80% of people with ADHD. These medications include Ritalin, Dexedrine, Adderall, and Desoxyn. It is important to note that when these medications are used to treat ADHD the dosage is much less that what addicts use to get high. When people are properly medicated they should not feel high or "speedy, instead they will report increases in their abilities to concentrate, control their impulses, and moderate their activity level. The route of delivery is also quite different. Medication to treat ADHD is taken orally, where street amphetamines are frequently injected and smoked. Non stimulant medications such as Wellbutrin, Prozac, Nortriptyline, Effexor and Zoloft can also be effective in relieving ADHD symptoms for some people. These medications are frequently used in combination with a small dose of a psychostimulant. Recovering alcoholics and addicts are not flocking to doctors to get psychostimulant medication to treat their ADHD. The problem is that many are hesitant for good reasons to use medication, especially psycho stimulants. It has been my experience that once a recovering person becomes willing to try medication the chance of abuse is very rare. Again the key is a comprehensive treatment program that involves close monitoring of medication, behavioral interventions, ADHD coaching and support groups, and continued participation in addiction recovery programs. There is Hope For the last few years I have witnessed the transformation of lives that were once ravaged by untreated ADHD and addiction. I have worked with people who had relapsed in and out of treatment programs for ten to twenty years attain ongoing and fulfilling sobriety once their ADHD was treated. I have Witnessed people with ADHD achieve recovery once their addictions were treated. "Each day I understand more about how pervasive ADHD is in my life. My clients, friends, family and colleagues are my teachers. I wouldn't wish ADHD and addictions on anyone, but if these are the genetic cards that you have been dealt, your life can still be fascinating and fulfilling."3 WENDY RICHARDSON, MA, L.M.F.C.C., CAS Wendy Richardson, MA, LMFCC, author of The Link Between ADD & Addiction, Getting The Help You Deserve, Pi–on Press (1997) is a certified addiction specialist who began working in addiction treatment in 1974. Ms. Richardson is nationally recognized as an expert on ADHD and co-occurring addictions, eating disorders, and criminal behavior. She trains therapists, educators, addiction specialists, attorneys, judges, and correctional personnel in NOTES Reprinted with permission from Wendy Richardson |
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尼采死了,我就是尼采 ![]() 积极会员 ![]() 注册时间: 2007/10/06 状态: 离线 积分: 58 |
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我说不需要钱的意思,不是说到医院去检查不需要钱。那是不可能的。哪里的医院会免费提供服务嘛。我的言外之意是说:没有这个必要。不要对医院报有某种依赖心理。 我给你讲一下我自己的亲身经历:
我还在读书的时候,就到西南医院去找所谓的“专家"看过。并且还是专门挂的“专家号”。好像还是国内知名脑科专家,是个四,五十岁的女人,廋廋的,等他妈半天才轮到我。结果他拿个小木棍在我眼前晃晃——可能是在观察我的眼睛的反应吧,我自己猜想的。然后说:小伙子,你没得病。我说我是啥子啥子问题呀,他根本不听我的,她只是说“我就晓得你是个大学生”云云,之类的话。然后叫我到心理科,说西南医院的心理科全国有名,到那里去。然后我就又到所谓的心理科。是时,那里的医生正在和一个病人进行磋商治疗,又等了一阵。然后到我了,我直接问她:“有没有“sttera"这种新药?”——那时候这种药物才在美国上市不久,我想知道在国内有没有。那个医生女人问那个药是治疗啥子的嘛,我就说,是“注意力缺失症”。她听了之后,没什么好气的说“你是不是那个问题还要通过检查之后才晓得”。我就问她“那现在就给我检查塞”。她说“我们这个要预约,预约过后大概要在下个星期才能和你单独见面”。我又问他那预约要好多钱呐,她说预约费用200元。我一听脑壳又大了,预约费用都要200元,并且还有等到下个星期,转身就走了。
这就是我到“大”医院检查"ADHD"的过程和结果。
我在这里现身说‘法”,就是为了以我自己的切身经历,告诉你,告诉所有徘徊在ADD以及“related problem”周围,又愿意看帖子的朋友:不要对医院以及心理治疗产生某种依赖心理。最好的治疗方式,可能就是吹吹吹,说得专业一点,就是倾述、发泄。
当然,如果是因为焦虑,抑郁或者其他的什么到了某种危险的成度,那另当别论。
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尼采死了,我就是尼采 ![]() 积极会员 ![]() 注册时间: 2007/10/06 状态: 离线 积分: 58 |
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如果有人因为add以及related 的其他问题,比如说各种各样的成瘾呀,物质滥用呀,病理性赌博呀,反社会型人格障碍呀,边缘型人格障碍呀,偏激型人格障碍呀,回避型人格障碍呀,以及自杀的企图呀,可以跟我联系,我愿意免费与大家探讨,交流,学习,提高,进步,如果有用得到在下的时候,我可以免费提供服务。 其他我不敢说,就是如何运用中药的帮助,来戒除“addiction"。在这个问题上面,我有一定的经验。可能诸位有所不知,正当中国正在为中医药的废存而争议不休的时候,人家发达国家,比如说英国,正在积极运用中药来戒断各种各样的成瘾性问题。
当然,我不是专业的心理咨询师,如果有朋友要作深层次的心理咨询,做人格重塑之类,这个我不敢说什么。但是我唯独能够做的是,可以跟你吹吹牛:
如果你有回避型人格障碍,我可以跟你吹宗教,吹释加目尼,吹老子,吹道道道,吹耶稣,吹哲学的流派等等等;如果有反社会型人格障碍的朋友,我们可以吹吹纳粹德国的兴亡,吹秦始皇,吹希特勒,然后消消你的"anti-social fire";如果有边缘型人格障碍的朋友,我们可以一起看看你在幼年时期受过什么创伤,什么虐待,咱们可以相互鼓励,树立生活的信心,找回生活的勇气;如果你是个抑郁 躁狂症患者,而病情又不是那么严重,那我们可以吹吹凡高,吹吹尼采,吹吹悲剧的诞生,看看是不是有重估一切价值的可能。我们还可以谈谈名著,谈谈这些大作家是如何将抑郁躁狂的的所见所闻写进书里.我们可以一起哀叹他们在生前是如何的不幸,然后又是如何流芳后世的。
有喜欢政治的朋友,我们可以一起回顾以一下add政治名人,谈谈丘吉尔,巴顿,一起看看他们在ADD lightside 的时候是如何的辉煌,然后又侃侃是如何黯然离去的背影。
如果有朋友喜欢运动,那好呢,咱们吹吹乔丹,吹魔术师,吹吹基得,吹吹阿里。想我大学时候,有一段时间称霸篮下,他们都叫我"奥尼尔"呢!哎,那是何等辉煌!
想当年,金戈铁马,莫说气吞万里如吗,至少说还是在一定程度上挽回了点存在的价值了塞,而如今,为了口腹之需,劳累奔波.正如西特勒在<<我的奋斗>>里面所写的落魄维也那时情形差不多.今年又经济危机,工作更他妈难找.,真是雪上又加霜。过年了,连家都不敢回,无颜见江东父老呀!读他妈个大学还当不到那些不读书的在外面做工挣的钱多.想当年,为了考个大学,那是连吃奶的劲都使出来了,农村娃二嘛,好多都是把读书看成改变命运的机会,哪晓得千挣扎万挣扎,挤过高考这一关,进了大学以后,才发现,苦难才刚刚开始.
说实话,那时侯生活上的拮据是次要的,但是心理上的不平衡,人格自尊心上的落差,那才是内心深出真正的痛。以前说成绩还可以,还可以稍微挽回点自尊,可是到了大学里面,个个都聪明,连成绩也算差的。吃的,穿的,用的,生活的习惯,消费的习惯,以及读书的成绩,样样不如人.简直不是人过的生活.回到家里面,还要面对家里的压力.感觉是冰火两重天.那年云大发生马家爵事件,我是一个人跑到网吧,看到有人写的一个帖子,看得眼泪止不助卜蔌蔌就下来.那个时候,我甚至有一种想法,那就是:我与马家爵的差别,就在于我没有他有脾气,仅此而已
末了,今天到就到此。帖子写得没有条理,顺请诸位阅帖者,原谅一个adder凌乱的思维。 |
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仁兄,很专业啊!!!
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分心不是你的错 ![]() 活跃会员 ![]() ![]() 注册时间: 2012/11/20 状态: 离线 积分: 381 |
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拜读。
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生命的本身就是最好的礼物!
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